There is cost in being a disciple of Christ. Let us take courage, and give our lives fully to Him and receive the greater reward. Let us not continue in wasting our lives.
If you need some encouragement on the matter take a moment to listen to this sermon online:
http://resources.christianity.com/libertybaptist/talkInfo.jhtml?id=63242&JServSessionIdroot=kt785whf91
Sunday, July 31, 2005
Friday, July 29, 2005
Monday, July 25, 2005
Only a Man Would Come Up With That...
So I've been filling some of my free time lately by researching the Mormon Church. Though I seem to have a good grasp on doctrines and beliefs, it seems I learn something new every day about the LDS. Since moving to Utah most of the insights I've made have been about Mormon culture. I've always found other cultures fascinating and the Mormon culture is no exception. These people have their own foods, sayings, holidays, games, and oh so much more. I'm sure I could live hear the rest of my life and still not have it all figured out (especially since I don't plan on joining their Church).
Okay, enough about Mormon culture, what I really want to share today is the LDS doctrine of EXALTATION. The doctrine of exaltation sums up LDS beliefs in one neat little sentence, "The goal of every devout LDS couple is to become a god and goddess exactly like their Heavenly Father and Mother." And this is why marriage (specifically temple marriage) is so important to a Mormon. It is also why the average marriage age in the state of Utah is between 19 and 22. There is a definite pressure for young people to settle down in a committed marriage and begin to having the multiple children they're told is their responsibility to bring into the world.
So I know the doctrine of exaltation in and out, it's nothing new to me. But today I was doing some more reading on the LDS Church, and I came across a passage that worded this doctrine in a way I had never thought of before. It's amusing and simply outrageous all at the same time, and you can thank Daniel Thompson for his perspective.
He writes, "Every LDS man who has been deemed worthy will then become a god. The people of his world will one day worship and pray to him just as the people of this world worship and pray to our Heavenly Father. Every LDS god will have many celestial wives who will aid him in populating his world. Therefore, the fate of every LDS woman who earns the right to be called a goddess is to be eternally pregnant, producing multitudes of spirit babies for her husband god."
Let's think about this statement for a moment *PAUSE*. Here's a religion that believes worthy men will one day become gods, with their earthly children bowing to them in worship and prayer. Hmmmm...and the women get WHAT?? Oh that's right, to be ETERNALLY PREGNANT!!!
Not that I have anything against pregnancy or populating the world with a child or two of my own someday, but COME ON give me a break, ETERNALLY PREGNANT!!! What woman in her right mind wants to live all of blessed eternity pregnant. And we're talking "multitudes of spirit babies". Who do you think is going to care for these "spirit babies" before they have earthly bodies? I'll make a bet it's not the guy who's being worshiped and adored by millions.
So, I don't believe for a second this is how heaven is, or that god was once a man himself who was deemed worthy to become a god. My sympathies do go out to all those thousands of LDS women who truly have been deceived into believing that this is what God has for them. That their whole lives here on earth and in heaven are reduced to their ability to bring forth children. I grieve for these women, that are only able to look forward to an eternity of pleasing a "heavenly husband" and bringing forth "spiritual babies". These women who are not able to find peace on earth or in the idea of heaven.
Okay, enough about Mormon culture, what I really want to share today is the LDS doctrine of EXALTATION. The doctrine of exaltation sums up LDS beliefs in one neat little sentence, "The goal of every devout LDS couple is to become a god and goddess exactly like their Heavenly Father and Mother." And this is why marriage (specifically temple marriage) is so important to a Mormon. It is also why the average marriage age in the state of Utah is between 19 and 22. There is a definite pressure for young people to settle down in a committed marriage and begin to having the multiple children they're told is their responsibility to bring into the world.
So I know the doctrine of exaltation in and out, it's nothing new to me. But today I was doing some more reading on the LDS Church, and I came across a passage that worded this doctrine in a way I had never thought of before. It's amusing and simply outrageous all at the same time, and you can thank Daniel Thompson for his perspective.
He writes, "Every LDS man who has been deemed worthy will then become a god. The people of his world will one day worship and pray to him just as the people of this world worship and pray to our Heavenly Father. Every LDS god will have many celestial wives who will aid him in populating his world. Therefore, the fate of every LDS woman who earns the right to be called a goddess is to be eternally pregnant, producing multitudes of spirit babies for her husband god."
Let's think about this statement for a moment *PAUSE*. Here's a religion that believes worthy men will one day become gods, with their earthly children bowing to them in worship and prayer. Hmmmm...and the women get WHAT?? Oh that's right, to be ETERNALLY PREGNANT!!!
Not that I have anything against pregnancy or populating the world with a child or two of my own someday, but COME ON give me a break, ETERNALLY PREGNANT!!! What woman in her right mind wants to live all of blessed eternity pregnant. And we're talking "multitudes of spirit babies". Who do you think is going to care for these "spirit babies" before they have earthly bodies? I'll make a bet it's not the guy who's being worshiped and adored by millions.
So, I don't believe for a second this is how heaven is, or that god was once a man himself who was deemed worthy to become a god. My sympathies do go out to all those thousands of LDS women who truly have been deceived into believing that this is what God has for them. That their whole lives here on earth and in heaven are reduced to their ability to bring forth children. I grieve for these women, that are only able to look forward to an eternity of pleasing a "heavenly husband" and bringing forth "spiritual babies". These women who are not able to find peace on earth or in the idea of heaven.
Sunday, July 24, 2005
Utah State Holidays...
Pioneer Day - July 24
Utah holiday commemorating the Mormon pioneers entering the Salt Lake Valley on July 24, 1847. Celebrated by chuckwagon breakfasts, parades, picnics, and fireworks.
Well, look what day it is. Here I am in the midst of my first Pioneer Day, and quite an experience it is. This holiday is taken very serious indeed by the residents of Utah (well only the LDS). I've seen more fireworks and outdoor BBQ's in this past weekend than I saw the weekend of July 4th, which is saying very much.
So what I've learned from this experience is just how prevalent the LDS faith is in the culture and lifestyle of Utah. As there is hardly any difference in the separation of Church and State within the borders of Utah, the same goes for the LDS culture and state culture (i.e. holidays, festivals and the like). Mormons are so deeply rooted and all compassing that the state of Utah will probably always be seen as their sanctuary.
Utah holiday commemorating the Mormon pioneers entering the Salt Lake Valley on July 24, 1847. Celebrated by chuckwagon breakfasts, parades, picnics, and fireworks.
Well, look what day it is. Here I am in the midst of my first Pioneer Day, and quite an experience it is. This holiday is taken very serious indeed by the residents of Utah (well only the LDS). I've seen more fireworks and outdoor BBQ's in this past weekend than I saw the weekend of July 4th, which is saying very much.
So what I've learned from this experience is just how prevalent the LDS faith is in the culture and lifestyle of Utah. As there is hardly any difference in the separation of Church and State within the borders of Utah, the same goes for the LDS culture and state culture (i.e. holidays, festivals and the like). Mormons are so deeply rooted and all compassing that the state of Utah will probably always be seen as their sanctuary.
Wednesday, July 20, 2005
Sunrise in Salt Lake City
This photo is an early morning view from my bedroom window. The fact that I was up and attentive at this hour is a true surprise to not only me, but I'm sure the rest of you who know me so well. And once you hear my reasoning for being up at this unseemly hour (and the fact that I went forth with my plan despite wanting another hour of sleep) you'll think I've lost it.Because for reasons beyond me I decided late last night that I wanted to participate in a water aerobics class at my gym. The only problem with this kind of decision is that the only classes offered in water aerobics are held at 5:45 a.m. (YAWN!!) But I made the decision and I set the alarm clock for 5:00 a.m. with all the best of intentions. For one thing I've learned about myself through the years is that very little motivates me to arise from bed before the sun itself has yet fully arisen.
To my surprise it wasn't that difficult to get myself out of bed and moving this morning. In fact I only hit the snooze button once before rousing myself completely, which is quite an accomplishment just ask any of my former roommates. I even found myself at the gym about ten minutes early for the class so I decided to make good use of the whirlpool.
Getting into the nice warm whirlpool wasn't the brightest idea I ever had, it just made getting into the nice cool pool even more difficult ten minutes later. The class itself wasn't bad, the other woman were quite enjoyable company (yeah that's right no men, for some reason they can't handle water aerobics). I found that the chlorine didn't bother me too much, since my head was above water the whole time.
It wasn't until I was back home that I realized what a workout you can get from water resistance. I'm absolutely and completely tired and my arms in particular feel like dead weight. That's okay who really needs functioning arms anyway, especially when all I have to do today is answer phones for some company...phone up to my ear...phone down to the cradle...up...down...up...down...I'm sure I'll survive.
Tuesday, July 19, 2005
Another Camera in the Family...
Today is my Mom's Birthday, HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOM, I Love You!! I won't go spreading her age here, because for some reason I don't think she would appreciate that. It really doesn't matter much because my Mom looks absolutely beautiful and youthful as anyone I've ever seen her age.
And now you're curious as to why I have a picture of some guy (this guy happens to be my brother, Brent) posted and I'm talking of my Mom. Well, it just so happens that my Mom took this picture with her new digital camera, which she got for her birthday. That makes the second camera to be added to our family in less than a week.
I'm using this posting to demonstrate to my Mom that technology is pretty cool. I mean just think about it, she took this picture back in Virginia a couple of hours ago and emailed it to me out here in Utah, and now I've uploaded on to my blogger for all the world to see. Which reminds me: "Hello World, this is my single brother, ain't he handsome?" (You can thank me later Brent).
Sunday, July 17, 2005
A Night on the Town...
Okay, so I realize that this photo is a little dark. In my defense it was around mid-night when I had the genius of capturing this gorgeous fountain. This particular fountain is located in a fancy little strip mall called Jordan's Landing. This isn't but a ten minute drive from where I live, and absolutely any major shopper's dream haven. What I've found most to my liking about Jordan's Landing is the centralized location of all my favorite stores. It's been most ideal to be able to jet in and out and be done with all my shopping (which I view more as a chore) in the shortest amount of time.
Back to the fountain, this one in particular is certainly one of my favorites. Though you can't tell from the photo it is made up entirely of tiny bits of mosaic tile, which reminds me of the colorful art work of Spain. To add to the atmosphere of this fountain is a cozy little plaza with outdoor dining areas and live music. Spending time there is like being back in Europe, and especially reminds me of my time in Spain when I took more time for plazas and a nice cafes.
It's a certainty that I'll be spending more of my summer evenings by this fountain with a delicious cup of hot tea, a good book and some great live music. I mean who could pass up a relaxing little haven like this one.
Church Fellowship...
Shortly after my arrival in Salt Lake City I began attending Church at a Christian and Mission Alliance Church (CMA) by the name of Discovery Christian Community. The fellowship and the love of Christ that I've experienced from the other believers there has just been such a blessing. So I thought I would take some time to introduce you to a few of my new friends from Discovery Christian. The picture to the right is of (names from left to right) Cami, Danielle [pronounced da-nell], Micheala, and Ally. Danielle who is standing slightly behind the rest of the girls is the female youth sponsor for Discovery Christian. In this picture each of the girls (with the exception of Danielle) have tamed down their hair to it's natural color, which is something of a surprise since I'm use to seeing a rainbow of purples, pinks, blondes, reds and greens. Hair color in this group is definitely a matter of daily or weekly preference. 
This next photo is one of Pastor Steve Meltzer. Here, he's taking affirmation from Danielle on the day's message. Since my arrival at Discovery Christian the study focus has been on the 10 Commandments, today it was number 6, "Thou shall not murder." I've been impressed with the way in which Pastor Steve is able to present God's Word, it's always very relevant to our times and situations.
This last photo on the right is of Tommy who is relatively new to Discovery Christian. He came into the Church this past fall to begin as the new youth pastor. He started with two youth about ten months ago and now he has an average of 12-15 attending each week. All I have to say is, How Amazing is God!!! Tommy has a real enthusiasm and love for young people and God's just using those gifts to bring people to Christ.
There are so many other wonderful and loving people I've met at Discovery Christian, and I look forward to introducing you to them all over the next weeks and months (if only through pictures).
Saturday, July 16, 2005
Here's To You, emily kate...
So for those of you who are of a highly curious nature and have been after me from Day 1 for pictures of my life in Utah this is for you. If you haven't already made the simple assumption this photo is the home where I live. I will take a moment to point out various nuances that you might find interesting. For starters the lack of green grass. I do indeed miss the color green, especially where it should be covering the ground. More importantly I miss rain and cloudy days. I've grown rather accustomed to the weather here, for it is fairly predictable. One should always expect bright sunny days with highs in the upper 90's or reaching triple digits. The sky is always a nice shade of blue with a scattering of white fluffy clouds. Humidity is practically non-existent, so one can usually endure the high temperatures with relative ease.
Another point of interest you'll find in this photo is contraption coming from the roof that looks rather like a chimney (no I'm not speaking of the t.v. attenae). That box like structure is actually referred to out here as a swamp cooler. It is the replacement of the standard air-conditioning unit that most homes back east maintain. The function of the swamp cooler is to blow in the dry air from outdoors and pass it through a cold water system that produces a steady stream of cold air indoors. Personally, I find this system lacking (though Utah natives are particularly fond of their swamp coolers) in that the steady stream of air is only delivered to one local in the home. In the case of my residence it is the stairs leading to the upper bedrooms that receive this steady stream of frigid air. It is almost unbearably cold to be anywhere near the stairs with the swamp cooler turned on and at the same time it is almost unbearably warm in my bedroom. I solve this problem by leaving my window ajar and having a fan continually at work in my room. The only time of the day that the fan cannot compete with the heat is the early morning when the sun comes shining through my bedroom window, which faces the east side. I have found it by far more pleasant to become an early riser than to endure the first sweaty morning hours.
Speaking of my bedroom window this photo was taken from there just today. Now you have an idea of the quaint sub-burban neighborhood in which I reside. The mountains in the back ground were not as clear the day I took this photo, but you might still be able to see the snow that slightly covers the peaks of them (and this is mid-July). I love the view from my window and spend the evening hours admiring the sunset from the west and how the colors reflect off the east mountains (which are the mountains in the picture).
My home is located near two points of interest, the first and my favorite is the Olympic Oval. This building was the home of the 2002 Winter Olympics speed skating competitions. For me to walk down the corridors of this building is like stepping into a precious piece of history. To skate on the ice of this building is knowing you're gliding where great athletes have been before. It's a truly awe-inspiring experience for someone who appreciates skating as much as I do.
The second (and probably most familiar) point of interest is the local airport. Ironically enough I live near by to a rather small airport about the size of the airport near by parent's home where I spent my growing up years. It's still a comforting sound to hear the small planes fly by my home. This photo is one I took of several planes stationed in their hanger. This airport might even be a larger operation than the one back home since there are several more hangers than the one I was able to photograph here. My appeal to this photo is the idealic mountains in the background, it doesn't get much better than that.
This final photo I dub "my self-portrait". For as much as I enjoy the comforting sound of small aircraft over my neighborhood I have become rather annoyed by the larger jets that fly directly overhead as they come in for a landing at the Salt Lake City International Airport not so far north of where I live. I believe I've learned all the major carriers by their colors and symbols, so that when they fly overhead I know if it is Delta or American Airlines without too much trouble. I'm sure this is a skill I'll be able to take far in life.
For all these photos in my update you should give credit to my new digital camera that I purchased today. I know that the photos aren't the best, but I've never claimed to be a stellar photographer, that and I'm still practicing on my new camera. I'm sure there will be quite a number of more photos to come in the next while, so keep checking back for my updates.
Another Housemate Moving Out...
So I move into this wonderful, and as you can tell well lite home in Utah. At first it was the place that everyone came and hung out at, but shortly after I arrive people began moving out (I've been assured this fact has nothing to do with me) for bigger and better places. This picture is of Brian one of my now former housemates who decided that his presence was no longer needed in our home. I captured this picture of him packing up his pots and pans.
The house has become rather quiet for at this time only myself and one other person is in residence. This situation is fine with me since my rent has remained the same and I've begun having a little more privacy. This still doesn't change the fact that I myself am looking to move out. I find that the location is less than ideal for commuting around the Salt Lake Valley. At this time I'm looking for a two bedroom apartment that is closer to the freeway system to help cut down on my driving time.
Tuesday, July 12, 2005
At the Heart of the Matter...
Since moving to Utah I find myself increasingly frustrated by the "follow without questioning" mindset of the majority here. Persons I encounter will often spout out their opinions or beliefs and when I set about questioning the reason as to why they hold such views, they seldom have a justifiable answer for me.
The simple answer for this lack of reasoning on their parts is not because they don't authentically believe what they are sharing with me, it's more or less because their beliefs are not truly their own. This is especially true when it comes to spiritual matters in the LDS Church. Mormons are so spoon fed in their faith that they've begun passingly accepting anything taught by the Church officials.
It's even more sinister than one might first think. Not only do Mormons have an attitude of open acceptance, they are also blatantly refusing to question anything offered by the Church officials. It's generally seen as a weakness/disobedience of faith to question anything of the Church. It could also mean quick ex-communication to be found voicing strong questions or opinions that oppose the LDS Church.
These serious problems inevitably lead a Mormon to only one certain conclusion, that their faith is justifiable by the LDS Church alone. These sadly, deceived individuals aren't able to provide poinant answers to my questions since the reasons for their beliefs aren't rooted in Christ alone. Instead of being able to point to the one figure (Jesus Christ) who justifies all who believe in Him; they are forced to point to the one thing that gives rationalization to their beliefs, the LDS Church.
I use these terms justification and rationalization simply because of an amusing comment I read today by Brendan:
"who needs justification when you have rationalization?"
The comment made me think how often individual's in the LDS Church use rationalization because they have no justification for what they believe. This I find very sad and disheartening. So, my answer to this simple questions is, Mormons need justification and not rationalization. Let us be out in the world telling those about the justification we have in Christ Jesus.
"The Jesus came to them and said, 'All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." Matthew 28:18-20
The simple answer for this lack of reasoning on their parts is not because they don't authentically believe what they are sharing with me, it's more or less because their beliefs are not truly their own. This is especially true when it comes to spiritual matters in the LDS Church. Mormons are so spoon fed in their faith that they've begun passingly accepting anything taught by the Church officials.
It's even more sinister than one might first think. Not only do Mormons have an attitude of open acceptance, they are also blatantly refusing to question anything offered by the Church officials. It's generally seen as a weakness/disobedience of faith to question anything of the Church. It could also mean quick ex-communication to be found voicing strong questions or opinions that oppose the LDS Church.
These serious problems inevitably lead a Mormon to only one certain conclusion, that their faith is justifiable by the LDS Church alone. These sadly, deceived individuals aren't able to provide poinant answers to my questions since the reasons for their beliefs aren't rooted in Christ alone. Instead of being able to point to the one figure (Jesus Christ) who justifies all who believe in Him; they are forced to point to the one thing that gives rationalization to their beliefs, the LDS Church.
I use these terms justification and rationalization simply because of an amusing comment I read today by Brendan:
"who needs justification when you have rationalization?"
The comment made me think how often individual's in the LDS Church use rationalization because they have no justification for what they believe. This I find very sad and disheartening. So, my answer to this simple questions is, Mormons need justification and not rationalization. Let us be out in the world telling those about the justification we have in Christ Jesus.
"The Jesus came to them and said, 'All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." Matthew 28:18-20
Sunday, July 10, 2005
Pride and Prejudice and Utah Customs...
Being that I'm particularly fond of Jane Austen and her work, it's no real surprise that I find myself writing on the subject of Pride and Prejudice. Recently I made the discovery of the modern-day 2003 film version of Pride and Prejudice. I found myself enjoying this version, though it didn't follow the book as true to form as other films I've seen on the book.
When the film began a vague sense of familiarity settled over me. In the beginning I couldn't place the reasons why this version in particular seemed so familiar, but as events took place it became quite apparent. It was the scenery that seemed most familiar in the film, and so I wasn't surprised when a reference was made to the location being Utah.
The more I thought on the subject the more convinced I was that the location for the film was quite appropriate. It's ironic how appropriate it would be for a modern-day Pride and Prejudice plot to have occurred in Utah. For starters, in no other state in the union except Utah would a woman be considered so much an old maid at age 24 that she could play a convincing Elizabeth. Also, there is the proximity of Salt Lake City, Utah to Las Vegas that works in the plot's favor of Kitty's elopment. It being commonly understood here as a tragedy in Mormon circles when young couples drive off to Las Vegas to be married rather than hold ceremonies in the Temple.
What I noticed most about this version in comparison to location and plot of the novel is that the Church reference is definitely Latter-Day Saint. In several instances in the film, references are made to Church and in each case it involves the virtues of the Mormon faith or scripture taught by the LDS Church. These references to the LDS Church are not exactly in tune to anything in Jane Austen's novel, but they are interesting nuances to be able to pick up on.
Overall, I felt it was very appropriate to place the setting of Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice in Utah. After spending quite some time now in Salt Lake City I understand how applicable the novel truly is to this area and culture. For as Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy lived in their own peculiar culture and society, so do many Mormons out here in good ol' Utah.
When the film began a vague sense of familiarity settled over me. In the beginning I couldn't place the reasons why this version in particular seemed so familiar, but as events took place it became quite apparent. It was the scenery that seemed most familiar in the film, and so I wasn't surprised when a reference was made to the location being Utah.
The more I thought on the subject the more convinced I was that the location for the film was quite appropriate. It's ironic how appropriate it would be for a modern-day Pride and Prejudice plot to have occurred in Utah. For starters, in no other state in the union except Utah would a woman be considered so much an old maid at age 24 that she could play a convincing Elizabeth. Also, there is the proximity of Salt Lake City, Utah to Las Vegas that works in the plot's favor of Kitty's elopment. It being commonly understood here as a tragedy in Mormon circles when young couples drive off to Las Vegas to be married rather than hold ceremonies in the Temple.
What I noticed most about this version in comparison to location and plot of the novel is that the Church reference is definitely Latter-Day Saint. In several instances in the film, references are made to Church and in each case it involves the virtues of the Mormon faith or scripture taught by the LDS Church. These references to the LDS Church are not exactly in tune to anything in Jane Austen's novel, but they are interesting nuances to be able to pick up on.
Overall, I felt it was very appropriate to place the setting of Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice in Utah. After spending quite some time now in Salt Lake City I understand how applicable the novel truly is to this area and culture. For as Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy lived in their own peculiar culture and society, so do many Mormons out here in good ol' Utah.
Thursday, July 07, 2005
Sharing Your Faith with Latter-Day Saints
**Continuation of Previous Post**
By Sandra Tanner
True Church?
Mormons will often say that the Christian world is too divided to have the truth. Yet there have been over 100 different churches claiming Joseph Smith as their founder. (See the book Divergent Paths of the Restoration.) Many of them have totally different beliefs from the others. Obviously, LDS scriptures did not solve the problem of division.
However, the Christian looks to such verses as Matt. 18:20 where Christ promised that where two or three are gathered in His name, He is in the midst of them. The Mormon does not understand the Christian concept of all believers constituting the church. In Eph. 2:20-22 Paul points out that Christians "are built upon the foundation of the apotles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief cornerstone; in whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord; in whom mye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit." Thus the question is not whether you are member of the right denomination but are you trusting Christ's atonement to make you right with God?
A Prophet?
Another area for discussion is the need for a prophet. You might ask the Mormon:
I've been told that LDS people believe God is continually giving new revelation to their prophet. How do you guard against false teachings?
If your prophet gave a revelation that differed from church teachings in the past, how do you determine which to follow?
Christians hold their ministers accountable to the Bible. (see Galatians 1:7-12, and 1 John 4:1) The early Christians compared Paul's teachings with the Old Testament in Acts 17:11-12. What is the standard for Mormons?
They may counter with something like: "God has promised he will never let the prophet lead us astray." Then why is there provisions made in the Doctrine and Covenants Sec. 107:81-83 to replace a fallen prophet? Jesus warned about false prophets in Matt. 24:11 and 24.
Mormons point to Amos 3:7 to prove that God will always have a prophet leading the church. However, this is taking the verse out of context. God promised that he would not send judgment without giving a warning first through a prophet.
If only the president of the LDS Church can receive revelation for the church, why are the books of the New Testament written by different people? Even Mormons agree Paul was never the head of the church. Shouldn't the apostles of Mormonism be as authoritative as Paul?
How many false prophecies could a prophet give and still be a true prophet? In Deut. 18:20-22 God declares that all his prophecies must come true.
If Mormons don't accept all the doctrines of their prophets and apostles, how does on know which teachings to accept and which ones to reject? They usually counter that you know through prayer. But don't their apostles pray before preaching? How can a lay member expect to get greater discernment than those ordained by God? Can the Mormon cite an example of a doctrine that their prophet or apostles taught which they can openly reject?
If you bring up a doctrinal issue with Brigham Young's Adam-God doctrine they will often counter that that was Young's personal idea and not official doctrine even though he taught it from the pulpit. Then what constitutes "official doctrine"? The Mormon will usually counter that doctrine must be voted on by the church and canonized. Doesn't this establish that one of their prophets could give a false revelation? Then couldn't he lead the people astray?
Another question is why does the Doctrine and Covenants only have four sections by prophets other than Joseph Smith? Why has no revelation been added since 1978? Is God no longer giving revelation to their president as He did in the beginning?
If a Mormon says that their prophets still get revelations, ask where they are printed. Why don't they canonize them? Are they approaching a closed canon concept?
Need More Than Atonement?
Mormons will often say, "Why can't you accept us as Christians? We believe in Jesus as our savior." However, there are problems with both their definition of "saved" and their concept of Jesus.
Mormonism limits the result of the Fall, saying that it brought mortality but not a sinful nature as man is supposed to be a god in embryo. They limit the atonement, saying it brought resurrection (or immortality) to all, but to go on to "eternal life" or "exaltation" one must be a faithful Mormon thus adding works to grace. They believe they commit sin but don't understand man's basic sin-nature.
They make a distinction between being "saved" (resurrected to some level of heaven) and having "eternal life" (exaltation, godhood). A good example of the Mormon concept of the atonement is found in a parable by Apostle Boyd Packer in Gospel Principles, pp. 75-77, 1997 ed. According to his parable, Christ's atonement was like someone refinancing your huge debt. Your friend pays off the loan for your but you then must make payments to him. From this parable we see that Mormons do not see the atonement as a total payment for their sins, they must continue to make payments. Jesus has only refinanced the loan. Thus the atonement was necessary but did not fulfill all that was required for eternal life. Apostle Packer's story is helpful in contrasting the Mormon concept of the atonement with that of the Bible.
When discussing grace with them you could also ask about 2 Nephi 25:23, "by grace we are saved, after all we can do."
If grace only applies after all you can do, how do you know when you have done enough? Have you truly done ALL you could do? If not, then it would seem that grace would not apply. That is why a Christian rejoices in grace (unmerited favor) as presented in the Bible.
We need to explain that good works are a result of grace, no a way to achieve it (Gal. 5:22-23 and Eph. 2). One doesn't earn or pay for a gift. You will need to explain that grace is not a license to sin, that those who truly love God will want to please Him.
Since Mormonism teaches that almost everyone will be saved (resurrected) to some level in heaven, how do they reconcile that with Matt. 7:13-14? Jesus taught that only a few would gain heaven. They seem to have reversed the broad way and the narrow way.
Temples and High Priests?
There are over a hundred LDS temples around the world in which they perform their baptisms for the dead, endowments and eternal marriage ceremonies for both the living and dead. A question to ask your Mormon friend is:
If a temple marriage is necessary for eternal life, why isn't it ever mentioned in the Bible (or the Book of Mormon)? Jesus taught that there would be no marriages in heaven (see Luke 20:34)
Can you show me a verse in the Bible (or Book of Mormon) where baptisms or marriages were ever performed in the temple?
Where in the Bible is the teaching that there are to be thousands of High Priests in the Christian church? Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament priesthood and is now the only High Priest in the Christian church. (see Heb. 4:4; 7:26; and 9:11)
Eternal Life
Mormonism teaches that in order to gain eternal life (as opposed to merely entering heaven) one must be "worthy." It is achieved after a life of full activity in Mormonism, full tithing, temple marriage, etc. So a question to ask your friend is:
What is required to achieve eternal life in Mormonism?
Have you met all of those requirements?
If you died today do you know that you will have eternal life?
Point out that the Christian have the assurance of eternal life through faith in Christ, not church activity (see 1 John 5:13).
Nature of God
Mormonism teaches a totally different concept of God. However, rather than trying to explain the trinity to them, I focus on the basic nature of God the Father. Joseph Smith taught that God was once a mortal on some other world, which was ruled by yet another deity. (See Smith's sermon on the nature of God in History of the Church, vol. 6 pp. 302-317, or Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 312, 342-354, 370-373) Each god rose from mortality to immortality and earned the position of a god. He does not surpass the previous god, but is forever under his direction. It is sort of like an eternal pyramid system, or escalator, with each god answering to the one above him. If the Mormon denies this teaching ask him if he has read Smith's sermons on God. If Smith's doctrine of God is wrong he falls under the condemnation of Deuteronomy 13, a false prophet leading the people after a false god. How do they reconcile Smith's doctrine of multiple gods with Isaiah 43:10-11 and Isaiah 44:8?
A Testimony?
The Mormon will often say that he know the LDS Chuch is true from prayer and inner conviction. We need to point out that people all over the world have come up with different beliefs about God. Obviously sincerity and prayer are not enough to guard against false claims. That is why God has given us the Bible, so that we will have a standard measurement for truth claims. You might ask them:
If you were lost in the woods would you trust your feelings or use a compass? Christians use the Bible to determine truth, not feelings.
We don't need to pray to know if we should rob a bank, or commit adultery, since God has already spoken on the issue. Thus we see that if someone claims a revelation contrary to what God has already spoken, we can know that it is a false teaching. Thus if Joseph Smith taught anything different from the Bible, like plural gods, he should be rejected (Gal. 1:8-9 and Deut. 13).
While Christians value prayer and seek direction from God, this is not the Biblical method of testing a prophet. Every leader and doctrine must be examined in light of the Bible.
Conclusion
Remember that your life is already a witness to your LDS friends, one way or another. If they say you would make a good Mormon, take comfort. Your lifestyle is seen to be consistent with your claim to be a Christian, they just want to give you the rest of the gospel.
Challenge them to study the Bible (Acts 17:11-12). If Mormonism is a restoration of Christ's church, it will agree with what God has already revealed. Challenge them to think for themselves. Truth will stand up to investigation.
A Mormon quickly senses if you are talking from genuine concern and conviction, or if you just want an argument. Check your motives and attitude (see 2 Tim. 2:23-26 and Titus 3:2-9). As ambassadors for Christ we are to share His love and redemption.
"Always be full of joy in the Lord;...Let everyone see that you are unselfish and considerate in all you do." (Philippians 4:4-5, Living Bible)
By Sandra Tanner
True Church?
Mormons will often say that the Christian world is too divided to have the truth. Yet there have been over 100 different churches claiming Joseph Smith as their founder. (See the book Divergent Paths of the Restoration.) Many of them have totally different beliefs from the others. Obviously, LDS scriptures did not solve the problem of division.
However, the Christian looks to such verses as Matt. 18:20 where Christ promised that where two or three are gathered in His name, He is in the midst of them. The Mormon does not understand the Christian concept of all believers constituting the church. In Eph. 2:20-22 Paul points out that Christians "are built upon the foundation of the apotles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief cornerstone; in whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord; in whom mye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit." Thus the question is not whether you are member of the right denomination but are you trusting Christ's atonement to make you right with God?
A Prophet?
Another area for discussion is the need for a prophet. You might ask the Mormon:
I've been told that LDS people believe God is continually giving new revelation to their prophet. How do you guard against false teachings?
If your prophet gave a revelation that differed from church teachings in the past, how do you determine which to follow?
Christians hold their ministers accountable to the Bible. (see Galatians 1:7-12, and 1 John 4:1) The early Christians compared Paul's teachings with the Old Testament in Acts 17:11-12. What is the standard for Mormons?
They may counter with something like: "God has promised he will never let the prophet lead us astray." Then why is there provisions made in the Doctrine and Covenants Sec. 107:81-83 to replace a fallen prophet? Jesus warned about false prophets in Matt. 24:11 and 24.
Mormons point to Amos 3:7 to prove that God will always have a prophet leading the church. However, this is taking the verse out of context. God promised that he would not send judgment without giving a warning first through a prophet.
If only the president of the LDS Church can receive revelation for the church, why are the books of the New Testament written by different people? Even Mormons agree Paul was never the head of the church. Shouldn't the apostles of Mormonism be as authoritative as Paul?
How many false prophecies could a prophet give and still be a true prophet? In Deut. 18:20-22 God declares that all his prophecies must come true.
If Mormons don't accept all the doctrines of their prophets and apostles, how does on know which teachings to accept and which ones to reject? They usually counter that you know through prayer. But don't their apostles pray before preaching? How can a lay member expect to get greater discernment than those ordained by God? Can the Mormon cite an example of a doctrine that their prophet or apostles taught which they can openly reject?
If you bring up a doctrinal issue with Brigham Young's Adam-God doctrine they will often counter that that was Young's personal idea and not official doctrine even though he taught it from the pulpit. Then what constitutes "official doctrine"? The Mormon will usually counter that doctrine must be voted on by the church and canonized. Doesn't this establish that one of their prophets could give a false revelation? Then couldn't he lead the people astray?
Another question is why does the Doctrine and Covenants only have four sections by prophets other than Joseph Smith? Why has no revelation been added since 1978? Is God no longer giving revelation to their president as He did in the beginning?
If a Mormon says that their prophets still get revelations, ask where they are printed. Why don't they canonize them? Are they approaching a closed canon concept?
Need More Than Atonement?
Mormons will often say, "Why can't you accept us as Christians? We believe in Jesus as our savior." However, there are problems with both their definition of "saved" and their concept of Jesus.
Mormonism limits the result of the Fall, saying that it brought mortality but not a sinful nature as man is supposed to be a god in embryo. They limit the atonement, saying it brought resurrection (or immortality) to all, but to go on to "eternal life" or "exaltation" one must be a faithful Mormon thus adding works to grace. They believe they commit sin but don't understand man's basic sin-nature.
They make a distinction between being "saved" (resurrected to some level of heaven) and having "eternal life" (exaltation, godhood). A good example of the Mormon concept of the atonement is found in a parable by Apostle Boyd Packer in Gospel Principles, pp. 75-77, 1997 ed. According to his parable, Christ's atonement was like someone refinancing your huge debt. Your friend pays off the loan for your but you then must make payments to him. From this parable we see that Mormons do not see the atonement as a total payment for their sins, they must continue to make payments. Jesus has only refinanced the loan. Thus the atonement was necessary but did not fulfill all that was required for eternal life. Apostle Packer's story is helpful in contrasting the Mormon concept of the atonement with that of the Bible.
When discussing grace with them you could also ask about 2 Nephi 25:23, "by grace we are saved, after all we can do."
If grace only applies after all you can do, how do you know when you have done enough? Have you truly done ALL you could do? If not, then it would seem that grace would not apply. That is why a Christian rejoices in grace (unmerited favor) as presented in the Bible.
We need to explain that good works are a result of grace, no a way to achieve it (Gal. 5:22-23 and Eph. 2). One doesn't earn or pay for a gift. You will need to explain that grace is not a license to sin, that those who truly love God will want to please Him.
Since Mormonism teaches that almost everyone will be saved (resurrected) to some level in heaven, how do they reconcile that with Matt. 7:13-14? Jesus taught that only a few would gain heaven. They seem to have reversed the broad way and the narrow way.
Temples and High Priests?
There are over a hundred LDS temples around the world in which they perform their baptisms for the dead, endowments and eternal marriage ceremonies for both the living and dead. A question to ask your Mormon friend is:
If a temple marriage is necessary for eternal life, why isn't it ever mentioned in the Bible (or the Book of Mormon)? Jesus taught that there would be no marriages in heaven (see Luke 20:34)
Can you show me a verse in the Bible (or Book of Mormon) where baptisms or marriages were ever performed in the temple?
Where in the Bible is the teaching that there are to be thousands of High Priests in the Christian church? Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament priesthood and is now the only High Priest in the Christian church. (see Heb. 4:4; 7:26; and 9:11)
Eternal Life
Mormonism teaches that in order to gain eternal life (as opposed to merely entering heaven) one must be "worthy." It is achieved after a life of full activity in Mormonism, full tithing, temple marriage, etc. So a question to ask your friend is:
What is required to achieve eternal life in Mormonism?
Have you met all of those requirements?
If you died today do you know that you will have eternal life?
Point out that the Christian have the assurance of eternal life through faith in Christ, not church activity (see 1 John 5:13).
Nature of God
Mormonism teaches a totally different concept of God. However, rather than trying to explain the trinity to them, I focus on the basic nature of God the Father. Joseph Smith taught that God was once a mortal on some other world, which was ruled by yet another deity. (See Smith's sermon on the nature of God in History of the Church, vol. 6 pp. 302-317, or Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 312, 342-354, 370-373) Each god rose from mortality to immortality and earned the position of a god. He does not surpass the previous god, but is forever under his direction. It is sort of like an eternal pyramid system, or escalator, with each god answering to the one above him. If the Mormon denies this teaching ask him if he has read Smith's sermons on God. If Smith's doctrine of God is wrong he falls under the condemnation of Deuteronomy 13, a false prophet leading the people after a false god. How do they reconcile Smith's doctrine of multiple gods with Isaiah 43:10-11 and Isaiah 44:8?
A Testimony?
The Mormon will often say that he know the LDS Chuch is true from prayer and inner conviction. We need to point out that people all over the world have come up with different beliefs about God. Obviously sincerity and prayer are not enough to guard against false claims. That is why God has given us the Bible, so that we will have a standard measurement for truth claims. You might ask them:
If you were lost in the woods would you trust your feelings or use a compass? Christians use the Bible to determine truth, not feelings.
We don't need to pray to know if we should rob a bank, or commit adultery, since God has already spoken on the issue. Thus we see that if someone claims a revelation contrary to what God has already spoken, we can know that it is a false teaching. Thus if Joseph Smith taught anything different from the Bible, like plural gods, he should be rejected (Gal. 1:8-9 and Deut. 13).
While Christians value prayer and seek direction from God, this is not the Biblical method of testing a prophet. Every leader and doctrine must be examined in light of the Bible.
Conclusion
Remember that your life is already a witness to your LDS friends, one way or another. If they say you would make a good Mormon, take comfort. Your lifestyle is seen to be consistent with your claim to be a Christian, they just want to give you the rest of the gospel.
Challenge them to study the Bible (Acts 17:11-12). If Mormonism is a restoration of Christ's church, it will agree with what God has already revealed. Challenge them to think for themselves. Truth will stand up to investigation.
A Mormon quickly senses if you are talking from genuine concern and conviction, or if you just want an argument. Check your motives and attitude (see 2 Tim. 2:23-26 and Titus 3:2-9). As ambassadors for Christ we are to share His love and redemption.
"Always be full of joy in the Lord;...Let everyone see that you are unselfish and considerate in all you do." (Philippians 4:4-5, Living Bible)
Tuesday, July 05, 2005
Sharing Your Faith with Latter-Day Saints
By Sandra Tanner
One of the most important factors in sharing your faith with a Mormon (officially known as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) is your sincere friendship. Usually former LDS tell me that they had a close friend that talked to them about the Lord. This friend acted as a bridge between Mormon assumptions and explaining what the Bible actually says.
Usually Mormons will already view themselves as Christians and will accept you as one as well. However, they would see you as only having one fourth of the gospel while they have the whole package. Your faith in Christ according to them, assures you of a place in heaven. However, in order to go to the highest part of heaven, the Celestial Kingdom (godhood, exaltation), you would need to have a Mormon baptism and a Mormon temple marriage. They believe that if you don't join the LDS Church during this life you will be given a chance to accept it during the millennium.
Remember that they view you as the one with the defective belief system. You have only the Bible (which accounts for your "limited" understanding) while they have additional light from their other scriptures, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price. Beyond this, they also have the teachings of their prophets.
Keep in mind that we are part of a process. Paul wrote: "I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase." (1 Cor. 3:6) It may take several encounters with various Christians before the Mormon will seriously start re-evaluating his/her beliefs. Pray that God will continue to bring Christians into the Mormon's life.
Terminology Differences
It is important to learn how Christian terms have been redefined Mormonism. If you went as a missionary to China you would learn their language and something about their customs. We should do the same with those embracing the LDS system. Don't assume the Mormon uses Christian terms the same as you do. Their definitions of God, salvation, eternal life, heaven, etc. are very different.
Persecution?
When opportunities arise for you to talk with Mormons about their beliefs, remember to show them the same respect and courtesy you would expect from them. Be sure to display confidence (not arrogance) in what you discuss. Mormons tend to interpret any timidity as evidence that you do not speak with the authority of God.
Since Mormons tend to feel any challenge to their Church is a form of persecution we must be careful how we approach them so that it will not reinforce this perception.
Joseph Smith claimed in his first vision which is printed at the back of their Pearl of Great Price, that God informed him all other churches were "wrong" and that "all their creeds were an abomination in his sight." Since Smith was the one who first attacked all other churches, we are simply responding to his charges. Merely comparing belief systems is not "persecution."
Importance of the Book of Mormon?
Mormons will often ask people if they have read the Book of Mormon and prayed about it. They assume that if someone believed it he would accept the rest of Mormonism. Here are a few questions to ask:
Since the Introduction to the Book of Mormon states that it contains "the fulness of the everlasting gospel" can you give me verses that teach the doctrines of pre-earth existence, plural gods with wives, temple marriage, chance to repent after you die, temple rituals for the dead, three levels of heaven, etc.?
Where do I find your concept of eternal marriage in the Book of Mormon? (It isn't in there - it's in the D&C, sec. 132.)
If you truly believe the Book of Mormon, doctrinally, how do you accept the Doctrine and Covenants or Pearl of Great Price since these books teach different concepts?
Why do Mormons approach people with the Book of Mormon if it doesn't contain their most important doctrines? Why don't they give out copies of their other scriptures instead of the Book of Mormon?
This gives us a chance to talk about the value of the Book of Mormon, as opposed to the Bible. Ask them:
What specific doctrine of Mormonism is in the Book of Mormon that isn't in the Bible?
Which Bible?
The Book of Mormon declares that the Bible has been deliberately altered (see 1 Nephi 13:26-28). Mormons will often point to all the different translations of the Bible as proof that it has been changed. You can ask them something like -
Does translation always lessen scripture's value or change its teaching?
What about the Book of Mormon? How many translations have been made of it? Is it less reliable in French or German?
Does the church put a disclaimer on the Book of Mormon in other languages as they do with the Bible? If not, why not?
If professional LDS translators can reliably take the English Book of Mormon into French, why can't professional translators take the Greek New Testament into English?
If the Bible is in such bad shape, which verses are wrong, so I won't use them?
Mormons will often claim the Bible is incomplete, that various books have been left out of our current Bible.
Why doesn't your prophet restore the lost books or correct the translation?
If your prophet has not felt the need to restore these missing books of the Bible how important can they be?
Which books were left out? Which ones should be added?
Joseph Smith did a revised version of the Bible, why doesn't the LDS Church print it? They print extracts from it at the back of their Bible - why not use the whole thing? Smith did not add any lost books to his revision. In fact, he left out the book Song of Solomon.
Remind them that even though we don't have all the words of Jesus, John assured us that we have all the we need to know about gaining eternal life (see John 20:30-31). Also, Jesus promised "Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." (Matthew 24:35)
If Mormonism is a restoration of original Christianity they would need to demonstrate that LDS doctrines were originally in the Bible but later deleted. However, there is no manuscript evidence of revisions of the New Testament that eliminated cardinal doctrines. Also, the scripture quotes in the writings of the early church fathers show that there were no doctrinal changes. A good book on the reliability of the Bible is The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable, by F.F. Bruce, Inter-Varsity Press.
Total Apostasy?
Mormonism asserts that in Smith's first vision he was told that there had been a total apostasy of the Christian church and that he was to be God's instrument in restoring it to the earth. While the Bible speaks of people falling away from the truth, it never indicates that there would be a total apostasy. Mormons often misuse 1 Timothy 4:1 which says that "in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils." Notice that the verse merely indicates "some" would depart from the faith, not that there would be a total apostasy. You might ask your friend something like this:
How could there have been a total apostasy of the church since Jesus promised that "the gates of hell shall not prevail against it"? (Matt. 16:18) Jesus also promised, "lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world." (Matt. 28:20)
Another problem with the LDS claim of a total apostasy is their own teaching that John, one of Christ's twelve apostles, did not die (see D&C 7:1-3) but was to remain on the earth to "prophesy before nations." Besides John, three of the twelve disciples in the Book of Mormon were granted their desire to remain on earth, to "bring the souls of men unto me," until Christ's return (Book of Mormon, 3 Nephi 28:6-9). With four apostles remaing on the earth, how could there have been a total apostasy?
Mormonism also teaches that the true church will have the same structure as Christ instituted. Thus they argue that the true church will have twelve apostles at is head. However, the Mormons do not conform to their own standard as they have three apostles in their First Presidency as well as their twelve, thus making fifteen apostles at the head of their church. Also, Deacons were to be men, not twelve-year-old boys (see 1 Timothy 3:8-12).
**Continued In a Later Edition**
One of the most important factors in sharing your faith with a Mormon (officially known as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) is your sincere friendship. Usually former LDS tell me that they had a close friend that talked to them about the Lord. This friend acted as a bridge between Mormon assumptions and explaining what the Bible actually says.
Usually Mormons will already view themselves as Christians and will accept you as one as well. However, they would see you as only having one fourth of the gospel while they have the whole package. Your faith in Christ according to them, assures you of a place in heaven. However, in order to go to the highest part of heaven, the Celestial Kingdom (godhood, exaltation), you would need to have a Mormon baptism and a Mormon temple marriage. They believe that if you don't join the LDS Church during this life you will be given a chance to accept it during the millennium.
Remember that they view you as the one with the defective belief system. You have only the Bible (which accounts for your "limited" understanding) while they have additional light from their other scriptures, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price. Beyond this, they also have the teachings of their prophets.
Keep in mind that we are part of a process. Paul wrote: "I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase." (1 Cor. 3:6) It may take several encounters with various Christians before the Mormon will seriously start re-evaluating his/her beliefs. Pray that God will continue to bring Christians into the Mormon's life.
Terminology Differences
It is important to learn how Christian terms have been redefined Mormonism. If you went as a missionary to China you would learn their language and something about their customs. We should do the same with those embracing the LDS system. Don't assume the Mormon uses Christian terms the same as you do. Their definitions of God, salvation, eternal life, heaven, etc. are very different.
Persecution?
When opportunities arise for you to talk with Mormons about their beliefs, remember to show them the same respect and courtesy you would expect from them. Be sure to display confidence (not arrogance) in what you discuss. Mormons tend to interpret any timidity as evidence that you do not speak with the authority of God.
Since Mormons tend to feel any challenge to their Church is a form of persecution we must be careful how we approach them so that it will not reinforce this perception.
Joseph Smith claimed in his first vision which is printed at the back of their Pearl of Great Price, that God informed him all other churches were "wrong" and that "all their creeds were an abomination in his sight." Since Smith was the one who first attacked all other churches, we are simply responding to his charges. Merely comparing belief systems is not "persecution."
Importance of the Book of Mormon?
Mormons will often ask people if they have read the Book of Mormon and prayed about it. They assume that if someone believed it he would accept the rest of Mormonism. Here are a few questions to ask:
Since the Introduction to the Book of Mormon states that it contains "the fulness of the everlasting gospel" can you give me verses that teach the doctrines of pre-earth existence, plural gods with wives, temple marriage, chance to repent after you die, temple rituals for the dead, three levels of heaven, etc.?
Where do I find your concept of eternal marriage in the Book of Mormon? (It isn't in there - it's in the D&C, sec. 132.)
If you truly believe the Book of Mormon, doctrinally, how do you accept the Doctrine and Covenants or Pearl of Great Price since these books teach different concepts?
Why do Mormons approach people with the Book of Mormon if it doesn't contain their most important doctrines? Why don't they give out copies of their other scriptures instead of the Book of Mormon?
This gives us a chance to talk about the value of the Book of Mormon, as opposed to the Bible. Ask them:
What specific doctrine of Mormonism is in the Book of Mormon that isn't in the Bible?
Which Bible?
The Book of Mormon declares that the Bible has been deliberately altered (see 1 Nephi 13:26-28). Mormons will often point to all the different translations of the Bible as proof that it has been changed. You can ask them something like -
Does translation always lessen scripture's value or change its teaching?
What about the Book of Mormon? How many translations have been made of it? Is it less reliable in French or German?
Does the church put a disclaimer on the Book of Mormon in other languages as they do with the Bible? If not, why not?
If professional LDS translators can reliably take the English Book of Mormon into French, why can't professional translators take the Greek New Testament into English?
If the Bible is in such bad shape, which verses are wrong, so I won't use them?
Mormons will often claim the Bible is incomplete, that various books have been left out of our current Bible.
Why doesn't your prophet restore the lost books or correct the translation?
If your prophet has not felt the need to restore these missing books of the Bible how important can they be?
Which books were left out? Which ones should be added?
Joseph Smith did a revised version of the Bible, why doesn't the LDS Church print it? They print extracts from it at the back of their Bible - why not use the whole thing? Smith did not add any lost books to his revision. In fact, he left out the book Song of Solomon.
Remind them that even though we don't have all the words of Jesus, John assured us that we have all the we need to know about gaining eternal life (see John 20:30-31). Also, Jesus promised "Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." (Matthew 24:35)
If Mormonism is a restoration of original Christianity they would need to demonstrate that LDS doctrines were originally in the Bible but later deleted. However, there is no manuscript evidence of revisions of the New Testament that eliminated cardinal doctrines. Also, the scripture quotes in the writings of the early church fathers show that there were no doctrinal changes. A good book on the reliability of the Bible is The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable, by F.F. Bruce, Inter-Varsity Press.
Total Apostasy?
Mormonism asserts that in Smith's first vision he was told that there had been a total apostasy of the Christian church and that he was to be God's instrument in restoring it to the earth. While the Bible speaks of people falling away from the truth, it never indicates that there would be a total apostasy. Mormons often misuse 1 Timothy 4:1 which says that "in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils." Notice that the verse merely indicates "some" would depart from the faith, not that there would be a total apostasy. You might ask your friend something like this:
How could there have been a total apostasy of the church since Jesus promised that "the gates of hell shall not prevail against it"? (Matt. 16:18) Jesus also promised, "lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world." (Matt. 28:20)
Another problem with the LDS claim of a total apostasy is their own teaching that John, one of Christ's twelve apostles, did not die (see D&C 7:1-3) but was to remain on the earth to "prophesy before nations." Besides John, three of the twelve disciples in the Book of Mormon were granted their desire to remain on earth, to "bring the souls of men unto me," until Christ's return (Book of Mormon, 3 Nephi 28:6-9). With four apostles remaing on the earth, how could there have been a total apostasy?
Mormonism also teaches that the true church will have the same structure as Christ instituted. Thus they argue that the true church will have twelve apostles at is head. However, the Mormons do not conform to their own standard as they have three apostles in their First Presidency as well as their twelve, thus making fifteen apostles at the head of their church. Also, Deacons were to be men, not twelve-year-old boys (see 1 Timothy 3:8-12).
**Continued In a Later Edition**
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